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The limits of Logic and world views

I know that I think differently than a lot of people do when it comes to things like economics, politics, and religion. What strikes me is the reactions I get from people. There is a common belief that if someone has deduced things logically, they must be right, and therefore I must be wrong. They confuse making sense for reality.

Imagine if told someone that parallel* lines can intersect and in some cases must intersect. If that person were in an argumentative mood, they might point out that the very definition of parallel lines forbids them from crossing. If this were a political, economic, or a religious point, more times than not I would be dismissed as an idiot. I’ve gotten that reaction fairly frequently. What I almost never get asked is why I might think that way. It turns out there’s a whole bunch of other types of geometries out there, as soon as you put lines on curved surfaces, basic rules of geometry get changed.

The point is that both I and my mysterious debater can logically defend why my view is right or wrong. The efficacy of logic is limited by the initial conditions or beliefs you start with. If you think you live in a Euclidian world and I think I live in an elliptic world, we are never going to come to any agreement or understanding if we rely on logic to stake out our claims.The same thing goes for any other world view you can think of. Once you believe you know the basic underpinning of your world, everything else follows logically.

Most people do what “males sense” to them based on their beliefs. If you try to point out that any given view they have is incorrect or, too often these days, tell them that they are stupid, you won’t get anywhere because they are a long ways down the causality chain. If you want to convince them to change their mind about something, you need to go to much deeper. When I talk to people about religion, economics, and even politics, I am usually pointing out that we don’t live in a Euclidian world despite appearances and how much sense it seems to make. It takes time, but ultimately you have to convince people you live in a better world than they do if you want them to come around to your way of thinking. It may not be a great way of scoring quick points, but it does give them some things to think about. That can lead to real conversations as opposed to slogans and name calling.

Of course, it’s a lot easier to not do any of this. Gotta keep telling myself that it’s worth doing. I think it pays off long term, if only for my mental health…

 

* I am using Euclid’s definition of parallel. Loosely, that is that if there is a line and a point off that line, there is only one line that can be drawn through that point that does not intersect that line. That’s Euclid’s 5th postulate, we call it parallelism. In elliptic space, there can be no parallel lines as Euclid postulated.

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Budget gnashing of teeth

I’ve started seeing posts about how one team wants to “slash” the budget, leading to the impoverishment of millions because of cuts to to head start, planned parenthood, housing vouchers, NPR, etc. Of course the other team is yelling that the other side isn’t cutting enough. I’m going to split the difference and say that one side isn’t cutting much of anything, and the other side is making totally inconsequential (to the deficit) cuts. What needs to be addressed is Medicare, the Military, and Social Security. Everything else is window dressing. Predictably, neither side want to go near those things so what we are left with is political theatre.

Budgets at all levels are in pretty bad shape. What I’m hearing from the left is that tax cuts are what’s causing the deficits, and of course the right is blaming spending. Spending is, of course, the root of deficits. While both tax revenue and spending go into making a deficit, only one side of that equation is done to people, backed up with the threat of jail time. So I think there is a moral argument to cut spending as much as possible vs. raising taxes. Why folks seem to think it’s OK to take money from someone just because they have it has never made much sense to me. And that isn’t even taking into consideration the consequences of having too high an income tax…

This all reminds me of  the contortions people go through to lose weight. They will try various pills, diets, etc. when we all know what will lead to weight reduction, less food and more exercise. We’re going to need more taxes and less spending. Taxes are going to have to go up across the board, not just on the wealthy. Similarly, spending cuts are going to have to be across the board of the big three programs, at least on the national level. It’s the perfect solution, no one will be happy. What people want is more stuff as long as someone else is paying for it,  and so that’s what politicians promise.  That, in a nutshell, is how we end up where we are now.

I’m not sure what will be more effective, getting the political will up to stop eating so much and exercising more, or letting things go until we need bypass surgery/gastric bypass surgery. If the monetary system collapses, there will be enormous pain and suffering, but hopefully some sort of lesson would be learned. Plus, it would get our debt off the backs of subsequent generations… I’m sure that over time, the same mistakes will be made as long as fiat currency/fractional reserve banking is the norm. I worry that if the current lawmakers buckle down and do something sensible (not that I’m holding my breath) it won’t last long, probably only until the economy goes on another Fed induced boom. SIGH.

Do you remember what I was blogging about in September? Silver was $17 an ounce. It’s over $37 an ounce now. The longer the lawmakers quibble and nibble around the edges of the problem, silver and gold will continue to go up in price. Or is that the currency losing value? Just saying….

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economics politics

Letterman pisses me off

Dave had Senator Rand Paul on tonight and talked to him about various things. They got onto the subject of the stuff going on in Wisconsin and Paul threw out a few stats. Letterman essentially said that they can’t be right, and he got quite a reaction from the audience. Never mind that the senator was right. When Paul pointed out that the average compensation level of Wisconsin teachers is north of 80 grand (which is also correct), Dave just tosses out to general applause that the figure should be doubled.

 

Snap, just like that, go ahead and double it. Whatever you may think of teacher compensation, it should be obvious that can’t happen. There is a budget crisis,etc etc… I’m sure that Dave wasn’t being serious, but I’m also sure it was the first thing that popped into his head. And the audience agreed with him. The real problem underlying most of our deficits is that people’s first assumption has been that funds coming from the government can just keep coming. Federal and state budgets are enormous after all, a couple billion here and there wouldn’t matter much surely?

I don’t know what it will take to get people to stop thinking that the government is magically paying for things and start thinking about the taxpayers. It’s easy for special interests to protest against spending cuts, but it’s a lot harder for taxpayers in general to rally for tax cuts. I once had an idea that there should be laws on the books that required all mentions of “the government” paying for something to be replaced by “the taxpayers.” Maybe that would help people, including Dave, to keep their eyes on the ball. Things are a mess at seemingly every level of government, are they going to have to come to a screeching halt before people regain their senses? What will it take for folks to say that as much as they’d like to double everyone’s salary, there just isn’t enough to go around? Even more important, what will it take for people to stop thinking that the money will simply come from somewhere/someone else…

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economics politics

The best way to think about macroeconomics

Russ Roberts, the host of the Econtalk podcast, just put up a really good post about the limits of knowledge. Here’s an excerpt:

 

Suppose the economy does well this year–growth is robust and unemployment falls. What is the reason for the improvement? Will it be because of the natural rebound of an economy after a downturn that has lasted longer than people thought? The impact of the stimulus finally kicking in? The psychological or real impact of extending the Bush tax cuts? The psychological or real impact of the November election results? The steady hand of Obama at the tiller? All of the above? Can any model of the economy pass the test and answer these questions?

The reason macroeconomics is not a science and not even scientific is that the question I pose above is not answerable. If the economy improves, there will be much talk about the reason. Data and evidence will be trotted out in support of the speaker’s viewpoint. But that is not science. We don’t have a way of distinguishing between those different theories or of giving them weights to measure their independent contribution.

 

The macro economy is just too complex for us to be able to suss out the reasons that things happen with any sort of exactness. When we look at an end result like employment, GDP, or the stock market we naturally try to figure out “the reason” for that thing to be the way it is. There is no single reason, there is no single vector that can explain an aggregate result. It’s like seeing shapes in clouds. A pattern emerges, but there isn’t any one thing controlling it.

Macroeconomics is inevitably apologetics for a particular policy track. Anyone spouting it inevitably feels as though the government can in fact steer the economy. They never seem to ask themselves the question that if the government can control stuff like that, why didn’t they stop the bad stuff from happening? The fact that government officials can’t see things coming and then promise to fix things later should make people wonder.

 

 

 

You can read The Test: “” from Russ at that link.

 

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economics financial

Ireland

I’m just left shaking my head over what’s going on in Ireland. We all saw the financial meltdown coming, but now the government is falling apart at the seams as well. What’s scary is that we still have Spain and Portugal to go in Europe. Scarier still is who holds the majority of Portugal’s debt. That would be Spain…

What kills me is that there wasn’t anything unusual going on in any of those countries. There were no wars or any other thing that was threatening the countries, they just had a badly constructed financial industry and things went south. The fact that the fallout of bad financial dealings is bringing down governments is even more amazing. Whatever you think caused this mess, it is clear that the governments, and by extension the tax payers in those countries, were far too involved for their own good. The fact that the taxpayers had no choice points out the on going issues of political power and money interests.

Many people look at what’s happening and yell that this proves that there needs to be more regulation, that the government needs to be more involved. It’s clear to me that the governments were too involved, that in their efforts to prop up politically connected groups and/or attempt to stave off the suffering that was going to occur because of the issues, they took everyone down with them. What isn’t clear to me is how having more government involvement will stop this from happening again. It seems to me that if the government tried to minimize the exposure to the problems, fewer people would be involved in the fallout. At the very least, the people directly involved would feel it more keenly.

I really hope that we aren’t seeing our future in Europe. On a national scale, we are in bad shape financially, we are going deeper and deeper into debt and we have ballooning liabilities in the form of medicaid and social security. Things on the state level look even worse. California is a leading indicator, but there are plenty of states that have unfunded liabilities well beyond what the taxpayers can pay. We will see what the future brings, but I’m afraid that too much central planning by the Fed, not allowing debt to be removed via deflation, and continued spending does not bode well for us. Let’s see how the PIGS countries fare. Even better, let’s see how the countries bailing out the PIGS countries fare. What are the odds that any of these places (including the US) will actually reform the relationship between the banking system and the national treasury such that a downturn doesn’t cause massive, system-wide collapse?

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economics

Rapping economists Rd. 2 (RE2?)

If you haven’t seen it yet, you have to check out the original Keynes vs Hayek rap battle:

 

 

They covered a lot of ground. Animal spirits, circular flow, human action, cheap credit, inflation, etc. I really think they did a great job explaining economic macroeconomic ideas in a catchy manner. Well, there’s a new, updated version coming out soon and there was a preview of it at a talk given by the Economist magazine. The discussion afterwards is illuminating too…

 

 

I think they did an even better job of getting to the political aspect of the differences between the two economists. The issue of who decides what should be done for everyone is addressed, as is the frequent claim that free market types would be fine doing nothing while everyone suffers. I can’t wait for the finished  second video to come out, hope it’s soon!

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economics financial

Outsourcing

I promised a separate post on outsourcing, and here it is. I started to think about this a little more carefully in the context of income disparity. Outsourcing was the one thing I could possibly think of where someone in the top 1% could benefit at the expense of someone else. I do not believe that outsourcing is responsible for the numbers I have seen thrown around when it comes to middle class wages and I’ve come to the conclusion that even if it was responsible, it wouldn’t bother me.

 

I’ll start out by admitting to something that isn’t all that popular. I am at a loss as to why an American worker deserves a job any more than anyone else. Outsourcing doesn’t cause the loss of jobs, it causes a shift in who has the job. Most of the outrage over outsourcing really boils down to who they think deserves a job. I’m not going to pass judgment on that, certainly not from so far away. I will point out that phrases such as “They can’t compete,” should explain why outsourcing is done at all…

Anyway, if outsourcing is responsible for the 7% or so that the middle class’s wages have supposedly gone down in the US, it’s only fair to look at the increase in wages in other countries that outsourcing is responsible for. If you look at the countries most closely tied to outsourcing, India, China, Vietnam, etc. you will see an unambiguously positive rise in wages over the last 30 years. Those wages have gone up much more than 7%. This is why I’m not so worried about outsourcing in general. People were employed and products were made at lower costs. Some workers were made worse off, some were made better off, everyone else benefits from lower costs.

Is there a moral aspect to this? I dunno, it’s difficult to parse this stuff out in general. Yes, people here in the US lost their jobs. Of course they could just have easily lost their jobs to machines. On the other hand, other people got jobs and had their wages go up. Someone else could have made money on all of this, but not necessarily. Many things were outsourced just so the company could stay in business.

Bottom line is this, to complain about a 7% drop in wages in isolation to the rest of the world is a bit short sighted. In any case, I gave some other reasons why, if wages did go down over the last 30 years, it probably isn’t due to outsourcing and isn’t that big a deal anyway.

 

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economics financial

And even more income disparity stuff

So I’ve been trying to say that the top 1% income earners aren’t by default crooks, and I’ve even tried to say that it’s no big deal if over the past 30+ years the top 1%’s incomes have gone up dramatically while hourly wages have gone down by 7% or so. Keep in mind, I’m not too sure of those numbers, but I’ll take it for granted that they are right. What could I possibly think would cause that and still be OK with it?

I’ve been trying to think about what the top 1% of earners could do directly that would cause their incomes to go up AND for folks beneath them to have lower salaries. The only thing I can think of is outsourcing. I am going to set that aside for a moment, I’ll do another blog post on it. It requires a bit more thought than I want to dedicate in this post.

Ok, so what’s an alternative story? It’s in two parts. First, what has changed in the last 30 years that could allow someone’s income to grow so much? Globalization. If you were a corporation, athlete, or author in the US in 1976, how big was your possible customer base? 200 million? 300 million? These days, it is closer to 3 billion. Not only has globalization allowed products and services into more markets, there are now many more people that can afford to buy things than ever before. The last 30 years have seen tremendous gains in Eastern Europe, Latin and South America, Africa, South Asia, and especially eastern Asia. People tend to think of things like cars and computers when they think of selling to other countries, but things like Clorox, condoms, cigarettes, soap, clothes, books, entertainment like sports, and gas have been exploding in popularity all over the world.

When you have markets that large, there are going to be vast sums of money involved. People involved in providing products and services to that many people are going to make a lot of money. How many customers does a big international company like Clorox or Exxon have? How many does a plumbing company have? You see where I’m going? The plumbing company (or just the plumber) could be doing just fine while his neighbor down the street could be making millions selling widgets worldwide. That’s a big income discrepancy. I do think a lot of the discrepancy results in comparing jobs that have very different ceilings when it comes to profit potential.

There are more companies doing business worldwide, or manage the money of people that do business worldwide, and that’s going to lead to more money for those people. Most professions do not allow you to make a killing, but that does not mean that the ones that do are bad.

Ok, what about the other end of the spectrum? If the top 1% aren’t causing wages to go down in real terms, what has? I think a lot of it can be explained with a single word, immigration. how many immigrants have come to the US in the last 30 years? I have no idea, but I’m sure it’s a lot. here’s the thing about averages, they can be thrown off by enough data points being added to the pool. If we take the average immigrant over the last thirty years, I think it’s reasonable to assume that they make less than your typical American when they first show up. If that’s the case, it is also likely that they have brought the average down even if no one else got worse.

Think about that for a second, if we are faced with a statistic that claims that hourly wages have fallen 7% over the past 30 years, what does it actually tell us? The average does not tell us how any person measured in 1976 is doing now. It doesn’t tell us how immigration has affected people that were already working here.

I’m not going to claim that these explanations explain everything, but I do think they are likely to explain a lot. I like to see reasons that don’t involve class warfare. It’s also nice to see how it’s possible that these groups of people could all be doing better. I am always suspicious of aggregates, especially when they aren’t carried over across time. The top 1% of income earners today weren’t the same as they were last year let alone 30 years ago. People that were poor back then are now doing better, and people that were fantastically wealthy before have dropped down as well.

There’s no need to worry about income discrepancies if my story is mostly true, and I think it is. There’s no reason to look for bad guys, and there’s no reason to look for ulterior motives based on what income bracket you fall into. Let’s spend our energies wondering why people in the bottom percentiles are there instead of gnashing our teeth over how much money some folks make.

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The disappearing middle class

Pundits constantly decry the disappearing middle class. The NYT article I linked to last time made a comparison of hourly workers from 1976 and today and found that their hourly wages had gone down by 7% or so. They were comparing that to folks up in the top 1% and how much more their wages had gone up. I went over my take on the top earners in my last post, I’m going to talk about those poor hourly workers…

I make the claim that even if the wages have gone down by 7%, that is more than made up for by the stunning advances in the standard of living since 1976. Think about, what has changed since then…. damn near everything really. I will use myself as an example. How many retail workers were able to travel the world in 1976? How many of them managed their own retirement accounts back then? How many had retirement accounts? How many had color TVs? No I don’t actually have a TV, but I do watch the programs on my computer, in color of course. The air is cleaner, we have things like the internet, computers, more people can afford cars, more can afford things shitake mushrooms, brie, pomegranates, food that only the wealthy had access to in 76. What about medical advances? My God, things have come a long way. Folks with MS in 1976 were essentially SOL. The same goes for any number of other diseases. The advances in imaging, drugs, etc, have literally added 5 or 6 years to our lives…

It seems to me that folks that consider themselves as middle class would solidly be in the upper classes back in 76 when viewed through the lens of what their possibilities are. That is the only real way to judge wealth. Money, even adjusted for inflation, does not tell the whole story. A person with $500 back in 1976 could do far less than the person with the equivalent amount of cash today. Think about it, how much more money would you have if you lived like middle class folks did in 1976? Drop your cell phone, cable TV, computer, and internet. How much more money would you have in your pocket each month? Drive an (on average) older  and more dangerous car, stay in an (on average) smaller house/apartment, only pay for medicine from back then, etc. It’s difficult to do of course, but its a handy way of trying to see how much wealthier we are today.

I’m not saying that wages aren’t important but I am saying that there is an awful lot more that needs to be considered when we talk about how “bad” we’re doing. We’re doing really well. Even the folks below the poverty line are doing better than they did back then. They have longer life spans, a stunning percentage have more than one car, the average number of TVs in those households is over 2. The most common medical issue? Obesity….

There is a huge middle class today and we are quite a bit better even if our wages have gone down by 7%, so smile!

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Harry Potter and income inequality

There’s a lot you can do with statistics, not all of them are useful. For example, I could average all of the address numbers in a zip code. I would come up with a number, but it wouldn’t mean anything and no one would care. In a similar vein, I can compare what the wealthiest people make and compare it  to what the rest make. Once again, we’d come up with a number, but it doesn’t actually tell you anything useful. Unfortunately, a lot of people do care about it…

The only reason why income inequality might actually be useful is if you think that making a lot of money is just a bad thing. In that case, you could point at those people and say, “Look, look at all the bad stuff they’re doing!” I’ve already covered some of this  ground before, but I’ll recap. There are four ways you can make money. You can a) take money from someone else, b) buy low and sell high,  c) offer a service that people find valuable or d) come up with a new idea or insight that lots of people like. “A” is generally called theft, and if you do it on a big enough scale you can get incredibly rich. See Hugo Chavez and Kim Jong Il for examples. “B” is your typical businessman and financial wizard. “C” has various sports and entertainment superstars as examples. “D” is made up of folks like Steve Jobs and JK Rowling, . Type “a” folks are unquestionably bad, we need to have as few of those people as possible. There are quite a few people that assume that type B’s are bad, but c’mon, there’s nothing wrong with buying something and selling it for more than you paid. They perform a valuable service, and they are rewarded for it. C’s and D’s are not controversial, everyone likes them. But somehow when B’s C’s and D’s are grouped together as “the rich,” they get treated like type A’s, as if they did something wrong.

 

That’s the only basis I can think of as to why people care if people are making more money than others. A friend recently posted a link to a NYT article wondering why economists aren’t saying more about income inequality. The whole piece has at it’s core the idea that income inequality=a bad thing. Here’s a few counterpoints to that.

 

Imagine that JK Rowling moved next door to me. The income inequality in my neighborhood would shoot through the roof. Would I be worse off? Would anyone in the neighborhood? Even though she is only one person, she would impact the overall income inequality in the country. What if all of the 1000 most wealthy people moved to the US. Would we be worse off? If my next door neighbor become a football superstar, would anyone be worse off? The argument that we are actually worse off because of them only makes sense if those folks are taking money from everyone else. A lot of the arguments about why income inequality matters seem to revolve around jealousy.

The statistic of income inequality is an artifact, it is derived from something, but it has no meaning of its own. It has no descriptive power at all, it doesn’t give us any information. The fact that JK Rowling is worth $1.5 billion is totally irrelevant to me. The world is much better off due to her efforts that made her rich.  What’s wrong with that? Is it her fault if other people aren’t doing things that people consider as valuable? Should anything be done to prevent people from making gobs of money just because some people don’t? If you have a burning, powerful hatred of the type B’s of the world and feel that they should be punished (God knows why) for being wealthy, just remember that you can’t hurt them without hurting the Steve Jobs and JK Rowlings of the world.

I’ll talk about the “fact” that the wealthiest 1% have made significant gains over the last 30 years while the average hourly wage has gone down (according to the NYT article) in another post. If you want to read the original article, it is here:

Economic View – Confronting Income Inequality – NYTimes.com: “”